Letters To The Editor
Who to believe in flouride debate?
As a community member, Ros Irwin may hold whatever views she might choose about
the issue of fluoridation and of course has the right to express them freely (Echo
4 Aug). However, her claim that the position taken by the 'Health Department and
some dentists and doctors does not stand up to the evidence' must be challenged.
Firstly, it is not just 'some' clinicians who support the safe fluoridation
of water to benefit the public's health but virtually all of them, including the
Australian Dental Association, the Australian Medical Association and the World
Health Organisation.
Water fluoridation is not an experiment. More than half a century's evidence-based
science proves it to be effective and safe.
There appears to be no clear reason why fluoridation creates concern amongst
certain people, although a host of misleading information on the Internet doubtless
helps. The sites that usually show up first on searches propose strong anti-fluoride
views. The 'research' seems convincing but the reality is the opposite.
NSW Health's fluoridation program relies on peer-reviewed research from around
the world: the collective wisdom of the international scientific and health community.
A recent paper by the Irish Government, critically appraising the scare manifesto
'50 reasons to oppose fluoridation', exposes how information has been manipulated
by some groups and individuals to comment adversely on water fluoridation.
It can be found at www.dohc.ie/issues/dental_research/critical_fifty.pdf?direct=1
The American Dental Association has a new document called Fluoridation Facts
that it is also well worth a read.
The public has a right to ask who is more credible - a few angry individuals
or the broader scientific community whose motivation is our welfare.
John Irving
North Coast Project Manager
Oral Health
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Good oil
Congratulations to those businesses that have organised the local petrol discount
scheme (Echo, Aug 4). You have taken on the national companies and you have shown
that local businesses can better them. You deserve the support of all of us. Shop
locally and you will make a difference!
Cr Graham Meineke
Lismore

Darcy returns fire
Well Rod (Echo letters, Aug 4).
You're either deaf, dumb or stupid not to see the writing on the wall and what's
to come to the "battlers" from this dishonest Government.
Wake up boy and start looking into what is proposed in the industrial relations
area. Be frightened Rod. Be very, very frightened.
I doubt whether Mungo would consider he is writing a column of humour - more
like a warning of things to come.
Darcy Mckee
Alstonville

Cyclepath dangers
Ballina Council's new and courageous GM has to find a way through the Angels
Beach Cyclepath dispute. It's a shame his minders can't feed him information that
bears scrutiny. Their falsehoods make his task much harder - take safety, for
instance.
A July report to Council defended the "sand mining trail" route as
"maintaining safety". Nothing is further from the truth. His minders
know that but won't admit. That route is a direct recipe for future accidents,
possibly fatal.
In this precinct everyone lives west of the Coast Road. It's 80kph throughout
but de facto 100kph. To reach the future cyclepath, riders must first cross the
road, then again cross it when they leave. This isn't rocket science - it just
doesn't compute!
Two safe crossings exist: an underpass and an overpass. But they're at either
end of the zone. Between are three customary crossings, used by all ages: Beachfront
Pde, Barwen St., and Bayview Drive. Taking their life in their hands pedestrians
persist in crossing at these "illicit" points - because it's easier.
With a beach cycleway, kids (impulsive and impatient) will obviously ride straight
across the road to reach it. As a parent and grandparent I cannot fathom the mentality
that believes this is the "safest" way to get people from one end of
the beach to the other. It's by far the most hazardous. The cyclepath belongs
on the west of the road - where the people live!
I entreat residents to petition Council to give a serious thought for our kids'
safety. I hate to say it but I foresee an innocent child dying in an encounter
with a speeding vehicle some day if the cyclepath is ever built through the dunes.
I'll personally do anything in my power to stop it. How about you?
Lee Andresen
Angels Beach

Please explain
An open letter to Lismore Council.
I refer to the brochure, "Your rates at work", in which the expenditure
of $28 million is listed under the heading of Enforcement and Street Lighting.
Obviously Street Lighting would not be under any enforcement orders, so for those
of us who cannot comprehend the meaning of that expenditure, could you please
itemise where the expenses were incurred?
On another matter, the demise of the mother of all fig trees on Invercauld
Road (the 'Lighthouse of Goonellabah') brought great disappointment, to say the
least. It also raises the questions - Who? How? Why?
Any answers forthcoming?
Germano Pagura
Goonellabah

Heartfelt thanks
Thank you for publishing, the story on Heartfelt House (Echo, Aug 4) at Alstonville.
It should have been on the front page! It is sorely needed in the Northern Rivers!
For many survivors of sexual abuse such as myself, it's a day-to-day challenge
to get through each day.
If you can't afford to see a psychologist etc for counselling in the Northern
Rivers, one is basically up that well known creek with out a paddle! Unless you
can get into Lifeline or Indigo House which has free counselling. These services
are stretched in Lismore. Statistically it has been shown that many recipients
of Centrelink benefits are on them due to past abuse. Left undealt with it can
impede one's ability to function on a day-to-day basis.
In an area that contains over 100,000 people, the Lismore and Ballina areas
are badly under serviced in sexual assault services.
I am a survivor of physical, emotional, mental and sexual abuse. I also have
post-traumatic stress disorder. Right now I am in a good space within myself.
When people begin healing work they will find it takes a lot of work, there will
be lots of tears and anger will be expressed. One will learn what the triggers
are and how to deal with them. So often survivors have to carry the burden alone.
Out of all of this can come the miracles of great healing.
I know for a fact that if I hadn't had the will to survive, my faith in God,
my friends support, church, Mayumari Healing Centre (outside Cessnock), Lifeline,
ASCA (which meets at 6pm on Mondays in Lismore) and my friends at Breath Connection
Life Centre at Lillian Rock I would be dead. I must include my second oldest sister's
support as well and my best male friend in Melbourne. Right now I have been able
to sleep in my own room for the last three weeks without feeling triggered, which
is very good for me. The healing I have done has given me hope for a better future.
Sexual abuse is strongly linked to depression (which I also suffer from), drug
abuse, alcohol abuse and prostitution, as well as other mental health issues such
as self-harm and suicide.
This centre, Heartfelt House will go a long way to breaking the silence surrounding
these hideous forms of abuse if it is supported by the community here.
The country has less services available to access than the city so don't waste
this new service and get behind Heartfelt House as a community!
Helen Coyle
South Lismore

Orwell not
So with the National ID Card on the table and with John Howard's new found
knowledge (particularly in Britain) about the value of surveillance cameras. I
feel it's my duty to reassure any paranoid people who think its 1984 - 21 years
late. It is not social engineering, it is defence against terrorism.
Marcus Davies
Lismore

Levee follies
"The proposed levee scheme would ensure that floods with peaks up to 10.95
metres AHD at the Rowing Club Gauge (RCG) do not result in flooding of Central
Lismore or any other houses in South or North Lismore" - Objectives and Justifications,
EIS, Lismore Levee, page 10.
The levee was duly constructed with a designed low point of 20.95 some half
a kilometre upstream of the RCG.
Incredibly, for the number of experts involved, no allowance in the high of
the inflow was made for
a. the gradient of the water between the two points, and
b. the effect of the levee itself on the level of the water.
a. gradient is the difference in the level between two points of a flow. When
the 2005 peak was 10.2 at the RCG, it was (as advised by SES) 280mm below the
levee top (10.95) at the police station, This equates to 10.67 metres. The gradient
is thus 470mm.
b. when the natural flow of water is restricted and confined, the level rises.
(That's why most of the levee wall is at 11.8 metres) Preliminary figures from
the recent flood show that the effect of the construction of the levee was to
increase the level at the RCG by at least 200mm. ie this flood would have been,
without the levee, just 10 metres.
Whatever the split between gradient and levee effect, for the levee to fulfil
its objectives the inflow point at the police station would therefore need to
be at least 670mm higher than the 10.95AHD of the RCG. As it stands, the levee
will be topped at what would have been, before construction of the levee, 10.28
metres at the RCG.
The effect of the levee and gradient on North Lismore is similarly dire. Hard
to imagine why the flurry of self-congratulations about the levee success - the
only success is that it kept out a minor flood and didn't fall over. On the criteria
mentioned in the opening quote above (its reason for being) it is a failure.
Easy with hindsight of course. Yet we pay our experts for foresight. Can they
now admit fallibility and allow a margin for (shudder) possible error?
Can the CBD people get the level of protection they are paying for? And for
those of us caught between and/ or upstream of the levee walls, can we be given
at least the margin of freeboard we had previously in the event of a 1-in-10 flood?(Regulations
require at least 300mm; but somehow this was also overlooked when determining
which houses were to be raised) and will those homes which will be inundated be
raised?
Then, as the EIS for the levee promises, "no one will be worse off".
David Wallace
North Lismore

Misogynist enemy
I was dismayed and disappointed by the attitude of some women at the Byron
Bay Writers Festival last Saturday. Admittedly I was probably a little optimistic,
being male stating my opinion during question time at a session about feminism,
when the attendance was 95 percent female.
I was trying to express my belief in equality and this should not have been
received badly.
However, I was hissed and heckled before I could finish the first sentence.
Obviously some were not interested in hearing any male views. Even the facilitator
was shaking her head - though she'd said that "in the interests of equality"
she wanted to hear the opinion of a male member of the audience.
I find it depressing that during the last 30 years certain elements of the
Feminist movement apparently have not moved beyond the moronic man-hating stage.
I was shocked that there are still many women who are not seeking equality but
superiority, not interested in listening but in haranguing, not open to encouraging
the equalities but focussing on the inequalities.
Incidents such as these turn people (both men and women) against the feminist
movement.
I empathise with the thousands of women in this country who are genuinely seeking
a balanced and equal society and I thank the women who spoke to me afterwards
to say that they were equally dismayed at my treatment. I will continue to champion
the cause of equality, but it's harder to feel committed to this when some women
are so aggressively anti-male. This sort of behaviour gives ammunition to those
who prefer their women barefoot and pregnant.
I believe equality will occur if we keep chipping away at conservative belief
systems with concerted lobbying. When we people who are willing to listen and
to think (both male and female) on the same side, we will have progress.
Rik Dillon
Alstonville

Ridgeline policy
When will Ballina Shire Council establish a solid, ridgeline planning policy?
Obviously it needs one, as more and more ugly buildings displace vegetation
on shire hill-tops.
Lennox Head Residents' Association has been seeking such a policy for many
years.
Such intrusive buildings destroy natural beauty for tourists and locals alike.
Mountains and ridgelines are part of visual environmental amenity as much as beaches,
waterways and other vistas.
Unfortunately some of the new dwellings often are large, set close to boundaries,
and minus gardens or other greenery.
A hopeful sign is that some developers are pointing out that they do not want
to build on ridgelines.
Decades ago politicians, bureaucrats and civic leaders assured us that ridgelines,
scenic corridors, escarpments, and other natural features, would remain pristine.
Property owners can still gain superb views by building below ridgelines. The
360-degree view mansions can be a reflection of the owners' ego or greed, at community
expense.
Outlines of old hilltop farmhouses often are softened by large trees. Their
high location probably was a colonial security hangover.
The need to build on crests in ancient times was to enable distant views of
invaders, and a vantage point from which to kill them. We don't do that anymore.
Or, like the sublime Parthenon on the steep Athenian Acropolis, such buildings
were to praise or placate the gods.
Ballina Shire still contains an abundance of natural beauty, which should be
protected, not obliterated.
But I haven't seen any built equivalents of the glorious Parthenon around
here, worthy of being on a skyline pinnacle, for all to admire.
Marelle Lee
Lennox Head

Fluoride in water
I feel a need to respond to Ros Irwin's letter (Echo, Aug 4) on her
concerns about fluoridation.
The science in favour of fluoridating our water supply is very convincing
and comes from many decades of respected research from institutions throughout
the world. These findings have been extensively publicised in the local media
over the last few months.
My greatest concern is for the people who most need this intervention. They
are the most disadvantaged people in our Northern Rivers community, many of them
children and whose dental health is often nothing short of appalling. This means
they are doomed to a life of ill health, pain and suffering relating to this and
the best of dental care won't do much to improve their long-term situation.
The great thing about fluoridation is that it is a preventative health
measure that will benefit everybody in our community. I am not surprised that
there is opposition. Just like seat belts, crash helmets, drink driving controls,
smoking in restaurants etc this is another public health measure where 'big
brother' takes control and we quite rightly should scrutinise these measures
that may infringe on our freedom of choice.
However common sense and balancing the arguments of benefits versus risk must
ultimately prevail and the case for fluoridation is clear cut.
Dr Andrew Binns
Goonellabah

PM's Freudian slip
Prime Minister John Howard stood in front of the cameras of the world's major
TV channels in London (July7) and expressed himself, as he put it "on behalf
of all Australians".
Now wait a minute. Is this the same Prime Minister who has repeatedly refused
to apologise to the Aborigines of Australia, on grounds that he "has not
been granted the authority to speak on behalf of all Australians"?
So what has changed now? Because I don't remember him seeking permission from
the Australian public to speak on our behalf in London.
Also in his speech, John Howard stated that "London is a city closer to
the hearts of Australians than any other city beyond our own". He then went
further on the ABC 7.30Report (August 4) claiming that England is a country "with
which we still identify probably more than any other country in the world".
All right then. Let's do a quick survey: How many Australians of Irish descent
identify with England more than they do with Ireland? Also, how about all those
Australians who came, or whose ancestors came from continental Europe? From the
Middle East? From China? From South America? Or the Australian Aborigines? How
many of you agree with John Howard's claim that you probably identify more with
England than with any other country in the world?
I've met Australians of many different descent in my life, to know the answer
to the above question. But you don't need to be a professor of sociology to realise
the answer, because it is blatantly obvious. It is, to use the PM's favourite
phrase, just plane commonsense.
So how can then John Howard still make such ridiculous claims repeatedly?
Could it be, that he regards Australians of English descent as the only true
Australians?
He would no doubt vehemently deny it, if he was confronted with the question
publicly.
Too late Mr Howard. The dreaded Freudian slip of your tongue has already given
your true thoughts and feelings on the matter away.
You don't see all Australians as equals. In fact, you don't even regard many
of us as Australians at all. In your eyes, Australia and the world is fragmented
into a kind of caste-system of peoples, with the born-to-rule Anglo-Saxon
(some would say Agro-Saxon) on top, naturally.
Your incessant clinging to the monarchy (ie. mummy's skirt) is also just
another attempt to maintain that archaic notion of the born-to-rule, the concept
that some are more equal than others.
Tom Koo
Alstonville

Goulburn orphanage reunion
A joint reunion for the ex-boys and ex-girls of the former St John's Orphanage
and St Joseph's Orphanage of Goulburn NSW, will be held over two days at the Rooty
Hill RSL Club, 55 Sherbroohe Street, Rooty Hill, NSW on Saturday and Sunday, September
10-11.
All ex-boys and ex-girls are invited to attend - rally to the reunion call.
The organising committee is hoping for a big roll-up. It has planned two days
of fun, friendship, entertainment, music and an overall happy event - a rekindling
of childhood bonds and a big warm homecoming welcome to all who attend. Please
come and join in the celebrations.
For further information, please contact the Programme Co-ordinator, Ken Doyle,
on 4733 7332.
Ken Doyle
Goulburn

Govt dysentry
The chronic constipation in the bowels of various NSW government departments
(rail, hospitals, courts, etc) might be relieved by an enema, flushing out and
identifying the causes of the troubles which tend to give the public users "government
dysentery".
An enema is also usual before major surgery for any such problems. Can an Iemma
work as effectively? The club industry also has potentially fatal "government
dysentery" from the exorbitant pokie tax. It could be fatal to the government,
or the clubs, or both.
Ken Macdonald
Lennox Head

Bugden story
As an occasional visitor to your fair city, I read with considerable interest
your recent correspondence surrounding the Bugden story.
Two points revealed in this correspondence require further comment:
1. Your correspondent Helen Coyle (Echo, July 7) might like to know that Bugden
was not the only North Coast born resident to win the Victoria Cross. The other
was, of course, Frank Partridge - born in Grafton, educated at Tewinga Public
School and a long time dairy farmer and banana grower in the Macksville district.
Frank won his award in Bougainville in July, 1945 and tragically died in a road
accident near Bellingen in March 1964.
2. Alstonville RSL Sub-branch might wish to note for their records that Paddy
is not buried in the Polygon Wood - Zonnebeke - Cemetery but some 6 kilometres
away at the Hooge Crater Cemetery, Zillebeke. A photograph of is grave and a description
of the Cemetery may be found in John Laffin's "Guide to Australian Battlefields
of the Western Front" pages 45-46.
Alan McConnachie
Killcare

Penguin knits
A letter of thanks to all the ladies of Lismore and Byron Bay who kindly knitted
over 200 little jumpers for the Fairy Penguins at Phillip Island.
The efforts of Gail Doggett of Lismore and Rosemary from the knit shop at Byron
Bay, along with their band of ladies, are very much appreciated.
A penguin party was held today at our church (The Church of Jesus Christ Latter
Day Saints). All the ladies present helped to tie the jumpers into bundles of
ten. At the final count of what we had at the church, was 1,750 with more to come
yet.
Lindsay's Transport has offered to transport the jumpers to Victoria.
Jenny Allen
Coffs Harbour

Be nice
I for one have had it with this system. I believe we are at a critical stage
of our human evolution; if we keep going down this current path we are in serious
danger of self-destruction. The whole leadership concept is old and outmoded.
It is the one thing that stops us from having a true form of democracy.
I would like to see a new system created and controlled by the common man of
the world. By this I mean everyone would be instilled with absolute power - equally,
and the majority would rule, based on information that was true and accurate.
This is the sort of democracy we could and should strive for.
The three stooges of politics have created an absolute disaster in this world.
What is worse is that we don't even have a system that recognises the mass murdering,
oil thieving criminals that they really are.
We need to stop all wars now! No one in this world should have to die of starvation
ever again.
Education is a right for everyone, and should be accessible to everyone.
The justice and rehabilitation system needs to be reviewed.
There should be no such thing as cutbacks on the health system - people before
money!
Only we, the people of the world can make this happen. United and working as
one we can have a real democracy. We all deserve better than this.
F_KEITEL@hotmail.com.au

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